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Measure HH

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Who we are:

A group of concerned citizens who have lived in Cathedral City for many years, from varied walks of life, who believe that while change is good, sometimes change is not needed.

 

We are not afraid to post the arguments for and against
We believe when you see them side by side the truth will prevail

Arguments for Measure HH

This is the City Council's Argument This is Citizens Against Measure HH 2016 Response
[ARGUMENT IN FAVOR OF YES ON HH --CATHEDRAL CITY]
Cathedral City has struggled over the years with over-reach by Sacramento politicians. Voting YES on HH gives our community a greater voice in their local government and the opportunity to reform how it works.
Voting YES on HH gives The City Council the greatest voice, not the citizens.
See Section 100 on the charter.
Obtain a copy of the charter here from the CITY web site:  Download the Charter
Some cities in California are organized under State "general laws," while others are governed by a Charter adopted by local voters. Cities organized under general law have less independence, while cities such as Palm Desert, Palm Springs, Desert Hot Springs and Indian Wells adopt their own procedures for local affairs. Give Cathedral City more Local Control--vote YES on HH! The proposed charter is different than those cities mentioned.
Palm Springs directly elects their Mayor.  
Desert Hot Springs directly elects their Mayor.
Remember the City of Bell.....it is a  CA charter city.
This charter does not spell out exactly how the mayor will be appointed.
See Section 603 on the charter.
Obtain a copy of the charter here from the CITY web site:  Download the Charter
Currently Cathedral City operates from a Constitution dependent on State law. As a Charter City, a locally drafted Charter approved by a City's voters becomes its Constitution. Cathedral City's voters--not Sacramento politicians--better understand OUR needs. Any changes to our local Charter could then only be made by Cathedral City's voters, providing more accountability to our community and its taxpayers --vote YES on HH! It will be extremely expensive and difficult for voters to change the charter. 
This is where the city council can create boards and commissions and be paid exorbitant amounts of money without the oversight of the State of California like we have now in a General Law City.
YES on HH means NO future City Council can EVER raise taxes without asking our voters first. We already have this under a "GENERAL LAW CITY".  Why spend all this money for something we already have?
YES on HH tells developers that they must hire local workers first, NOT import people from Los Angeles or Phoenix.
The city does not need a charter to require developers to use local workers first.  It can be built into all city contracts.  They should always hire the most qualified contractors for jobs anyway.
YES on HH allows Cathedral City to hire the most qualified contractors, empowering city staff to make the reforms that eliminate waste. To Repeat:  The city does not need a charter to require developers to use local workers first.  It can be built into all city contracts.  They should always hire the most qualified contractors for jobs anyway.
YES on HH locks in City Council salaries so future councils cannot give themselves a raise without asking the voters. Yes on HH does not "lock in"  council salaries.  It gives council an automatic yearly pay raise.
See Section 605 on the charter.
Obtain a copy of the charter here from the CITY web site:  Download the Charter
YES on HH allows our City's voters to have local control over local laws, ensuring the City can avoid costly regulations written by state government bureaucrats. Keep our money and decisions LOCAL! Join a unanimous Mayor and City Council --vote YES on HH! Unanimous maybe.  However, one councilman wanted to separate the issue of voting for the mayor directly from the Charter Measure.  Difference of opinion can be a good thing.

 

Argument Oppose to Measure HH

The Cathedral City Charter states that it will improve the quality of life for the people of
Cathedral City. However, it does not indicate how it will improve life for the residents.
Cathedral City spent $35,000. to conduct a survey which found that 69% of those polled
want to directly elect the Mayor rather than rotate the position. The City Council is
denying you the right to vote for your Mayor if this passes.
The proposed City Charter contains an automatic yearly pay raise for the City Council
Currently, Cathedral City cannot add a property transfer fee, nor can it increase fines and
penalties for code violations. If this measure passes however, a new property transfer fee can
be instituted as well as unlimited code violation fines and penalties without your approval.
Approximately 75% of all California cities are NOT charter cities.
Once a Charter City is formed, it is extremely difficult and very expensive to change or
revoke by either the City or the Community.
Do you understand all seven pages of this Charter completely'?
If not, VOTE "NO".
VOTE NO ON MEASURE HH.

 

The Rebuttal to the Arguments of Measure HH

 This is the City Council's Rebuttal This is Citizens Against Measure HH 2016 Response

Don't be fooled by negative rhetoric and scare tactics. Expand Cathedral City's self-governance and local control- Vote YES on HH! FACT- a Charter can ONLY be changed by the voters of Cathedral City, NEVER a City Council. The control rests where it should- with LOCAL voters.
This is part of the problem with a charter.  We cannot make changes to items that prove to create a problem by merely meeting with the Council or petitioning.  The Voters must gather signatures, raise funds - huge sums of money -- and possibly get a court to force the Council to put the item on the ballot. There is no alternate method to fix a problem spelled out in the Charter, but there should be! 
See Section 101 on the charter.  The last sentence.
Obtain a copy of the charter here from the CITY web site:  Download the Charter

Vote NO on Measure HH
FACT- Local cities such as La Quinta, Rancho Mirage. Palm Desert. Desert Hot Springs and Indian Wells are also Charter cities -- giving their residents, not Sacramento politicians. the greater voice in their local affairs. Why wasn't Palm Springs mentioned?  Could it be because of the FBI Raids?  The State of California does not over see Charter Cities.

Vote NO on Measure HH
FACT- YES on HH guarantees that NO future City Council can EVER raise taxes without getting permission from voters first.
This is what pundits call SPIN... That's smoke and mirrors to you and me.  The Council cannot raise any cost that is named a tax.  HOWEVER, the Charter allows them to create fees, fines, surcharges and other monetary charges at their whim and to set these charges at any level they want.  The Charter also allows them to raise those fees and charges as often and as much as they want. SO the LOCAL BUREAUCRATS take away the State's ability to protect you as a Californian.
Vote NO on Measure HH
YES on HH gives Local Control over Local needs to LOCAL residents, avoiding costly regulations written by state government bureaucrats. YES on HH provides better control over public works projects, the contracting process and local economic development, with more
transparent and efficient elections and NO increased taxing authority.
Local residents will never have control over any regulations made by the city or the state. Cathedral City already has control over the contracting process and this charter does nothing to impact economic development in any way.
While cities cannot raise taxes without a vote of the people, this charter clearly allows city council to increase Fines and Penalties and add new Fines and Penalties. 
We need clarification of "Forfeiture for Violations".  Does this mean the city can take my property?
See Section 103 on the charter.
Obtain a copy of the charter here from the CITY web site:  Download the Charter
YES on HH has strict accountability controls, ensuring our elected officials are more accountable and responsive to us.
This is patently untrue... there is NO accountability written into the Charter, and no recourse for us, the Residents and Business People, other than long and costly Special City Elections.  What's more, the Charter says that the City Council has the right to decide what goes on a ballot IF they allow an Election.
Vote NO on Measure HH
YES on HH means voters will continue to DIRECTLY ELECT all 5 Cathedral City Council members.
More SPIN! Of course we will continue to elect the City Council directly.  We just lose the ability to directly elect the Mayor.    Cherish your vote for mayor this election.  If Measure HH passes this will be the last time you will see "Mayor" on your ballot!  Also remember, on or before 2022 you will only be voting for ONE council member every FOUR years.
See Section 601 and 603 on the charter.
Obtain a copy of the charter here from the CITY web site:  Download the Charter
Vote NO on Measure HH
YES on HH locks in City Council salaries to the current level, caps future increases AND requires a reduction in Council members' salaries if city employees receive a pay cut. Join a Unanimous Mayor and City Council and take control of Cathedral City! Vote YES on HH! For factual information, visit: wwwcathedralcity.gov/charter. What?  The Charter clearly states Automatic Pay Raises.
See Section 605 on the charter.
Obtain a copy of the charter here from the CITY web site:  Download the Charter

Rebuttal to Oppose Measure HH

Whether you fully understand the concept of a charter city or not, this particular
Cathedral City charter is flawed and favors the council, not the voters. Vote No
on Measure HH.
Council has padded this charter with perks for themselves such as automatic
yearly pay raises. They will never have to ask for a raise again because it's
automatic. Vote No on Measure HH.
The Charter gives no voice to voters except at election time. Nothing in the
Charter makes the City accountable. Example: despite overwhelming community
support from voters saying they want to continue to vote for the Mayor directly,
council ignored that. instead they want to appoint the mayor amongst
themselves. The Mayor should be chosen by the people, not the council. Vote
No on HH.
Currently council can NEVER raise taxes without a vote of the people. Vote No
on HH.
There is no protection in the charter from new ordinances, regulations, codes or
from soaring penalties and fines. Vote No on HH.
The large majority of California cities are NOT charter. The California Legislature
has made charter cities a mute point by closing loopholes. This charter will only
benefit the locally elected to do as they please by potentially increasing fees, etc.
Vote No on HH.
The city does not need a charter to require developers to use local workers first.
It can be built into all city contracts. They should always hire the most qualified
contractors for jobs anyway. Vote No on Measure HH.
For more information: www.citizensagainstmeasureHH.com

 

 

Reasons why we are against this Charter


1. Unelected Mayor- The elected position of Mayor should not be a participation award, but an honor earned and chosen by the people.

2. More regulations, violations, unlimited fines and penalties-  Unlike a General Law City which the State limits, a Charter City can create new policy regulations, ordinances and codes. It can call taxes by another name and raise fees, fines, penalties without limit.


3. Economic Development- This charter does NOT give the city any economic development tools they don't already have.

4. Private property in Jeopardy- There is no provision for private property owner's oversight in the Charter to form an advocacy group against the use of tools like re-zoning or "downzoning" which devalues your private property. Property can be taken by eminent domain because of multiple definitions for "blight", "low income" being one; and not just for public use as in the past, but for private use too; for a business or developers who then make big profits.


5. No oversight voice or protections- there are no provisions for citizen-input or oversight. There are no accountability measures for council. This gives them carte blanche to do as they please.

6. Charter difficult to amend or  revoke- The charter is left very open ended to allow city government to make the rules that best fit their needs. Amending a charter is difficult, at best. Revoking it is almost impossible. It MUST go back to the voters for any changes, and informing and educating the public on the issues is very expensive.

7. City is already wasting money- Cathedral City has already spent $35,000 of taxpayer money to conduct a survey. The survey was very clear that 69% want to directly elect their mayor. Cathedral City will spend an additional $50,000+ of your tax dollars to "educate" you on the "benefits" of this charter.

75% of California cities are NOT Charter cities.

Vote NO Measure HH

 

Watch a video of changes to the Charter

 

The Charter Changes that were read by the City Attorney ARE NOT the same as what is written in the Charter that went to the Registrar of Voters.
Follow along in this video.



Frequently asked questions. 
  
Q:   Can the city raise taxes with a charter?
A:   Just like a General Law City, the city cannot raise taxes without a vote of the people.  But unlike a General Law City, a Charter City Can Raise fees and create NEW fees such as Real Estate Transfer Fees.

 

Article about San Bernardino, CA

Four years ago this month, San Bernardino, Calif., filed for Chapter 9 protection. Today, it's still in Chapter 9 -- the longest municipal bankruptcy in recent memory.
Why so long? Many blame it on San Bernardino's lengthy and convoluted charter, a document that gives so much authority to so many officials that it's completely ineffective. "It gets everybody in everybody else's business," said City Manager Mark Scott. "And it keeps anybody from doing anything."  Read more.

 


Other fees that can be added by Charter Cities

Street parking only by paid permit
Permits in some cities are as much as $100 monthly, to park in front of your own home, or  alternately anywhere in city limits other than private or paid parking lots
City Utility access fee
In order to have a new or increased hookup, or to have disposal services use your street to access your home.
Resident Building permits
These fees could become burdensome to local residents, but not developers.  They include fees to erect a shed on your property larger than 2' x 2' x 4' (you know that Rubbermaid you just bought???)
Parcel fee
There would no longer be a State limit to what could be charged per residential lot to cover Police, Fire or City Services costs
Earthquake (Residential)   
Earthquake (Commercial)
Pays to restore City buildings in case of earthquake, can be added to any city or commercial sale in the city including utility bills, service invoices, city services etc.
Mechanical Permit Fees   In addition to general Building permit
Plumbing Permit Fees In addition to general Building permit
Grading Plan Check/Permit In addition to general Building permit
Development Impact Fees
Impact Fees cover such items as new stop signs & lights, street sweeping costs, planting easements and medians, increased city water use, etc.  Further, an Impact Study can be required and charged for.
Microfilming of Plans $1.50 per plan page
Dust Control $250 per acre + $5 each additional acre
ACA   Compliance  Fees
Fees added to any parcel , business or construction license  or City service to cover City's costs to meet Federal Disability  Standards
Additional Animal registration fees
In Redondo Beach your dog License is $150 per year, CAT Registration is $65, and any combination of pets over 3 is an added $25 per animal annually.
Franchise Fees 
Charged to Utility company, but they can add to all of your Utility  Bills
Solar Panel Installation and Usage fee (Yes now they could charge you for your use of Cathedral City Sunlight for power" look at some of the Northern California City fee schedules)
Special Event Hosting Surcharges
Like the increased business brought in by Coachella, Hot Air  Balloon Festival and Stagecoach?  The City can add fees to cover increased traffic enforcement, security and clean-up costs.  It could be added to a parcel transfer fee, Utility Access Fee, Traffic Violation Fee, or added to your Business and Building Permits. (Santa Barbara uses this BIG TIME)
School Enrollment A City Fee for enrolling your Student in any school that receives City support, money or uses Utilities covered by a Franchise Fee.
Still Photography Permit  
Want to take a photo of ANYTHING in the city that (even incidentally or accidentally) includes a City Building, Street Sign, Landmark or other specifically Cathedral City object?  You need a permit in advance, and there can be a fine if you do not have that permit on your person at the time the picture is taken. Secondary Permit fees can be required if you post to any social media, or  you publish it in any way.

Several Cities in Orange, San Diego and Santa Barbara Counties use these to generate income for the CITY, roll it into the General Fund and the Councils have complete discretion as to how that money is used.

There are DOZENS  more of these fees and assessments!

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Links

Download the Charter

A group of concerned citizens wrote up some questions about the Charter.  The City Responded and the group rebutted their response. 
Here is the list of questions, answers and rebuts.

C. C. Survey

Cathedral City Survey Results May 4-19, 2016

L.A. Times article about the City of Bell

General Law City v. Charter City

Charter Warning - Facts and Resources

Why Charter City Status Does not Protect Local Revenue

General Law vs Charter Cities

BallotPedia     Advantages and Disadvantages of Going Charter

Illusion Of Autonomy
This is from a NON-BIASED Attorney

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